What to do when my adolescent male dog does not obey me anymore?!

We got Forbes the Aussie boy in March when he was 7 months old. Forbes was well socialized, well mannered and used to being at busy doggy events as he had been to plenty of conformation shows. I have never had a shepherd breed dog before and in my mind I have just had this picture of a border collie type of a character who learns quickly the way we humans want and gets to win all the obedience titles in no time. Because of this mental image I was thinking YES! I get to experiment with a dog who is not a guard dog for a change (Hovawarts, I still love you!), will love to work for me (after all I am great person, aren’t I), will learn everything that I teach him ultra-fast and this year we will be flying through rally obedience trials. I will be doing clicker training demos with him because he is just a working machine willing to keep going forever (just for me and my lovely personality), and everyone will be sold to take clicker training classes from me. I was looking forward to my effortless journey to stardom!

Well I’ve got some news: I was wrong. My silly plans for sailing through competition titles and loooong clicker training demos this year have been now very officially abandoned. What happened, after all I had such a great plan??! What happened is called Life With an Adolescent Male Dog. Throughout the spring I trained Forbes tricks like targeting to do heeling, go to mat and spinning on the perch in my training studio (as in our living room, for movies see my Vimeo site). By the way, the first ‘surprise’ to crash my romantic view of shepherds as the readers of the human mind came pretty soon, I discovered that even shepherd breed dogs are just dogs, they can be very sensitive to how you raise your criteria during training, they cannot read my mind! This was the first ‘DOH, what the h*** were you thinking trainer’ for me. Anyways, now during the past month my intention has been to take these behaviors on the road, and start practicing them seriously outside. The intention was good but then Life With an Adolescent Male happened. A deep sigh, and the second ‘DOH, what the h*** were you thinking’ for me.

What do I do when I have a plan to go outdoors for a little obedience training session with the Adolescent Male? I know to do the following:

  • Lower the criteria from my indoor training session, outdoors is MUCH more distracting
  • Keep the the training session(s) short enough so that the dog can maintain focus
  • Use really high value reinforcements for a hungry, well rested dog: steak and the toys that he only gets to play with during training
  • Try and manipulate the environment so that the distractions are minimum

Once again, I’ve got news: it just may not work this easily! My standard for any obedience training session is that eye contact with me is maintained: where the dog’s eyes are that’s where his mind is. But what tends to often happen these days is that as soon as we get outside the house, the Adolescent Male may spot some female dog pee and does that jaw clattering movement to ingest it in its whole glory, YIKES!!! After that I might just as well eat the steak and juggle my pathetic tennis balls all on my own. Then he may spot another dog or two coming from around the corner, and gets all excited: hey dude get out of my space! I start feeding him the steak for counter-conditioning, he will eat it if he has recovered from the delights of the ladies. This is usually OK but by the time we get to our quiet training spot he may already be pretty full of the steak, so much for the training session I had planned. Sometimes we can do our little sessions without surprises but life is just very unpredictable. A deep sigh.

As a dog trainer, I caught myself yesterday thinking, am I such a bad trainer that I cannot even make my own dog obey me?! And this was my third ’DOH, what the h*** were you thinking’ moment. I should have the capability to break things down for my dog, make a systematic training plan, set priorities, take advantage of the learning theory. I guess while I’ve been busy doing this for other people and their dogs, I’ve forgotten that the same recipes apply to me. Some other trainer may be able to solve things easier than me, I have no doubt about that, but hey this is me and my dog, this is our situation, these are my training skills, what can I do with the resources available to me?

Hence it is officially time to start a 5-week boot-camp program for Forbes and I, right here, right now! YEAH! That’s the big plan but I need a lot more details. I am not going to expect any complex behaviors out in the Big World until we have some solid basics together.  So what do I want?

Big goal #1: A reliable recall that works 99% of the time.

I have done a lot of hand targeting with Forbes, which I was planning to be his recall cue as well. However, when he first arrived I did this a few times when he was anxious about something outside with the result that I kind of poisoned this cue for him. Now the palm of my hand presented to him in some contexts means ’Something that I need to be worried about is around’.  So we’ll forget about that as a recall cue. Thank goodness for Casey Lomonaco’s recent series of Dogster blogs on recall, I will steal her recipe to classically condition a recall for Forbes. A clear cue ’TULE’ (in Finnish yes!) always paired with Heavenly Goodies. Forbes is already conditioned to the word indoors and easy places outside, now I need to build the distractions in.

First lets categorize the distraction difficulty levels for a recall similarly to what Casey did, and I will relate them to Forbes being outdoors:

LEVEL 1, dog notices the distraction but will happily come: inside the house unless he is eating, right outside the house close to me and facing me, no dogs/people/smells around

LEVEL 2,  dog will come most of the time come: outside within 10 m from me facing me, no dogs/people/smells around.

LEVEL 3, usually comes but sometimes blows me off: running in the fields like a beast, another dog on leash 100 m away.

LEVEL 4, hardly ever comes: sudden movement around, interesting sounds in the bush, when staring at another dog, sniffing the garbage or message board.

LEVEL 5, will never come: while making love to message board/playing with another dog.

Second, lets start the 5-week program for this Sacred Recall, we will spend 1 week at each level and do at least 5 x 5 repetition sessions each day. Towards the end of every week we will also start adding more distance.

Big goal #2: Taking advantage of environmental reinforcements.

Lets try the Premack principle which means that a high likelihood behavior will reinforce a lower likelihood behavior occurring before it. In practice, as a reward for ANY orientation towards me, Forbes will get the ultimate reinforcement of going to check the message board/run in a field. I will call this behavior ’Go and Do Whatever’. Leslie McDevitt calls this Give me a Break Game in her Control Unleashed.  As his default behavior to offer me in exchange for Do Whatever I would like to be the most basic obedience movement which is ‘Sit at Halt’ or ‘Finish’. We will gradually work towards that goal starting first from just eye contact. I really need to get our ‘Finish’ on verbal cue quickly, we will work on it indoors like crazy, so that I can start using it outside as well.

Big Goal #3: Keep eye contact with me outside for longer and longer periods of time, when ‘training obedience’.

In indoor spaces and in busy places like Pet Smart with lots going on this is not a problem, his eyes are glued to me (which also can be a bit spooky :-)). But outside with those sudden distractions only little glances at me are happening (if they are happening) at the moment.

WEEK 1: 3 times a day indoors Sit at Halt with eye contact for 5 clicks and treats.  3 times on every walk Sit at Halt with eye contact for 2 clicks and treats followed by a tennis ball or ‘Do Whatever’.

WEEK 2: 3 times a day indoors Sit at Halt with eye contact for 10 clicks and treats, followed by a tennis ball or ‘Do Whatever’. 3 times on every walk Sit at Halt with eye contact for 4 clicks and treats followed by a tennis ball or ‘Do Whatever’.

WEEK 3: 3 times on every walk Sit at Halt with eye contact for 4 clicks and treats, then departure from the position while holding eye contact for one step, reward this by click and treat, followed by a tennis ball or ‘Do Whatever’. For the departures I may use a target stick.

WEEK 4: 3 times on every walk Sit at Halt with eye contact for 4 clicks and treats, then departure from the position while holding eye contact for two steps, reward this by click and treat, followed by a tennis ball or ‘Do Whatever’.

WEEK 5: 3 times on every walk Sit at Halt with eye contact for 4 clicks and treats, then departure from the position while holding eye contact for 3-4 steps, reward this by click and treat, followed by a tennis ball or ‘Do Whatever’.

Oh boy, I’m exhausted just writing this! And OK today is Sunday, lets start tomorrow, the beginning of a new week. If things don’t work it is just my own fault for not training.  In 5 weeks I will report where we stand!

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8 responses to “What to do when my adolescent male dog does not obey me anymore?!


    Good luck to you. Parker and I have discussed our future in training and he said one word to me: RETIREMENT. I said “fine.”

  2. As a survivor (somewhat) of two Adolescent Male Dogs (AMD), I feel for you. Since our main sport is Agility, it was pretty much impossible to find anywhere to train without distractions (read: without lady dog smells – and to make matters worse, Rho’s definition of “the ladies” includes neutered male dogs). For almost six months last fall/winter Rho was glued to the floor. If I physically un-glued him, he was a drooling mess with no cognitive capabilities to speak of. He seemed to have un-learned everything he had known before. He’d go under jump bars instead of jumping (quicker and less effort to just run and duck – and then he would keep running to that smell that needed sniffing). It was incredibly frustrating.

    I’m happy to hear you can catch your “d’oh” moments and come up with a plan. When my AMDs were at their worst, I was mostly just fighting to keep myself from crying out of shame (“everyone else has a dog that listens to them”) or just plain desperation and frustration (“this will never work, I’m the worst trainer”). Being proactive helps a lot but luckily for me, so does time. Rho is now able to focus on me when training on our own or with a few other dogs and doesn’t even remember the smells. He’s far from being ready for trials (way, WAY too much distraction), but he’s improved a lot.

    It’s great you’re writing about this. Anyone raising an unaltered male puppy needs to be reminded about this stage in their development.

  3. I know how this feels! It was quite different for us to raise a male after two females. I figure there is a lot of brain development at this time, it’s like construction season with a lot of road blocks and detours.

  4. Thank you so much Ladies, I knew I would get feedback on this one. Aikki, I was in that ‘this will never work, I’m the worst trainer’ mode last week. Now I am trying to develop a different approach, and it is a learning curve, as I’m not used to male dog at all. Very happy to hear that Rho’s focus has improved! Oh men, they are so one-track minded!

    By the way, Laura above breeds Icelandic Sheepdogs and Aikki has two Lapponian Reindeer Herders, two lovely Scandinavian breeds!

  5. You have no idea how helpful this post has been. At 11 months, my intact aussie boy is testing my confidence. After all the training time and successes, setbacks and more successes, it seemed like we were starting to really make some progress. Then hormones set in and suddenly all the work we’ve done together has been forgotten. Until I read this post I was really feeling like a failure. It’s comforting to know that this is pretty normal stuff, and that some boys are like this. My husband was laughing at me this morning because I haven’t stopped talking about this epiphany for 48 hours. I feel like I’ve to the psychiatrist and been told that not only is my dog perfectly normal, but so am I! What a relief! I’ve suddenly rediscovered my patience and self confidence, and can look at this “phase” of development as what it is, a phase. I know this boy will be stunning when he reaches maturity. Thank you!

  6. Hi Deborah,

    Your comment really made my day!

    With Forbes I have now done these miniature obedience training sessions, in a quiet place I start with playing tug with him, then I ‘steal’ the tug from him.I C/T for eye contact about 5 times, and reward at the end with tugging. Another C/T series for eye contact followed by tug, and that’s it. I try and finish BEFORE he gets distracted by something or bored. At least today worked like a charm,

  7. Oh boy! You really do have a lots of work with your training program! But on the other hand, 5 weeks is quite a short time if you compare it to the rest of Forbes life. And after all, it’s not so easy with the females either. Riemu had really nice recall until she became to the age of 7-8 months. Now days she comes most of the time when were on walk just the two of us, sometimes comes if Vinha is with us, and hardly ever comes if both Vinha and Voima are with us. How on earth does the other dogs change the picture so much? So, we need to start to classically condition a recall as well… She also does pull on the leash, and I need to do something with that as well… How is the week 2 going with Forbes?

  8. Hi Salla, yes it is a lot of work, I know. The second week is going ok, this monring though I made the mistake of pushing the recall ‘tule’ and said it when Forbes was sniffing, of course he didn’t register it. We are a long way from getting a recall when he is checking his e-mails, but we’re working on it.

    I wish I had a reinforcement that wins the smells. I’m working on making Forbes tug crazy, it works well indoors and sometimes outside as well, but the scents always win. I’m now tugging with him every time I come home, when he is all crazy and hyper, with the intention of building that emotional state into tugging.

    By the way, buy a SENSEation or Easywalk harness for pulling, works like a charm!

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